26. Vietnamese American Poet Ocean Vuong: The Pain & Joy In Making Art with Actor Chris Kelham

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In this episode of Elixir, Helen is talking to Chris Kelham about the poem ‘Ars Poetica as The Maker’ by Ocean Vuong 

Topics of discussion:

  • The pain and joy in making art - a challenge to God 

  • How human creativity beats AI

  • The emotional depth of Chinese drama students compared to Western students

  • “Everyone is in exile in their own skin and strives for contact and connection.” 

Text of the poem:


Ars Poetica as The Maker

‘And God saw the light and it was good’ Genesis 1:4


Because the butterfly’s yellow wing

flickering in black mud

was a word

stranded by its language.

Because no one else

was coming — & I ran

out of reasons.

So I gathered fistfuls

of  ash, dark as ink,

hammered them

into marrow, into

a skull thick

enough to keep

the gentle curse

of  dreams. Yes, I aimed

for mercy — 

but came only close

as building a cage

around the heart. Shutters

over the eyes. Yes,

I gave it hands

despite knowing

that to stretch that clay slab

into five blades of light,

I would go

too far. Because I, too,

       needed a place

to hold me. So I dipped

my fingers back

into the fire, pried open

     the lower face

until the wound widened

into a throat,

until every leaf shook silver

with that god

-awful scream

& I was done.

& it was human.




Source: Poetry (July/August 2017) published as ‘Essay on Craft’

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/142852/essay-on-craft

About the poet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Vuong

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/142852/essay-on-craft

https://thesciencesurvey.com/arts-entertainment/2022/07/21/the-themes-we-hold-close-in-ocean-vuongs-time-is-a-mother/

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/157878/nothing-to-hide-under-all-this-sun

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